https://gameo.org/api.php?hidebots=1&days=3&limit=50&hidecategorization=1&target=Grebel%2C_Conrad_%28ca._1498-1526%29&action=feedrecentchanges&feedformat=atomGAMEO - Changes related to "Grebel, Conrad (ca. 1498-1526)" [en]2024-03-29T01:40:59ZRelated changesMediaWiki 1.35.1https://gameo.org/index.php?title=Karlstadt,_Andreas_Rudolff-Bodenstein_von_(1486-1541)&diff=178591&oldid=145557Karlstadt, Andreas Rudolff-Bodenstein von (1486-1541)2024-03-28T12:38:08Z<p>correction; e-mail from Mike Atnip; 1987 update also has "brother-in-law" and not "son-in-law.</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Against [[Infant Baptism|infant baptism]] Karlstadt, unlike the Anabaptists, spoke only incidentally, classing it as an "outward thing" with circumcision. He said, to be sure, that it was better to postpone baptism until the candidate was sure of his faith, and that it was superficial of [[Luther, Martin (1483-1546)|Luther]] to baptize infants who do not understand their lusts, to say nothing of the death of their lusts through Christ. Karlstadt's wife refused to have her own son baptized (1525).</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Against [[Infant Baptism|infant baptism]] Karlstadt, unlike the Anabaptists, spoke only incidentally, classing it as an "outward thing" with circumcision. He said, to be sure, that it was better to postpone baptism until the candidate was sure of his faith, and that it was superficial of [[Luther, Martin (1483-1546)|Luther]] to baptize infants who do not understand their lusts, to say nothing of the death of their lusts through Christ. Karlstadt's wife refused to have her own son baptized (1525).</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>After a short meeting with the Swiss Brethren in [[Zürich (Switzerland)|Zürich]], in October 1524, there were apparently no contacts between them and Karlstadt. They did not enter into his dispute on the communion, though they read and distributed his tract on the subject; its printing in [[Basel (Switzerland)|Basel]] was arranged for by [[Manz, Felix (ca. 1498-1527)|Felix Manz]] and Karlstadt's <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">son</del>-in-law, [[Westerburg, Gerhard (d. 1558)|Dr. Gerhard Westerburg]].</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>After a short meeting with the Swiss Brethren in [[Zürich (Switzerland)|Zürich]], in October 1524, there were apparently no contacts between them and Karlstadt. They did not enter into his dispute on the communion, though they read and distributed his tract on the subject; its printing in [[Basel (Switzerland)|Basel]] was arranged for by [[Manz, Felix (ca. 1498-1527)|Felix Manz]] and Karlstadt's <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">brother</ins>-in-law, [[Westerburg, Gerhard (d. 1558)|Dr. Gerhard Westerburg]].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Haetzer, Ludwig (1500-1529)|Ludwig Haetzer]], however, was banished from [[Augsburg (Freistaat Bayern, Germany)|Augsburg]] for siding with Karlstadt against [[Rhegius, Urban (1489-1541)|Urban Rhegius]] in the dispute on communion. —The strange view of Karlstadt that in the words, "This is my body," Christ was referring to His own body, was accepted in some Anabaptist circles, as the testimony of Veit Frick of Württemberg (Gutenberg) before the magistrates on 29 July 1563 shows: The words, This is my body, and this is my blood, had reference to Christ's body and not to the bread and wine; the meaning is, this body sitting at table with the disciples must be given and His blood shed, and bread and wine are a symbol and memento of this suffering and death ([[Bossert, Gustav (1841-1925)|Bossert]], 228).</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Haetzer, Ludwig (1500-1529)|Ludwig Haetzer]], however, was banished from [[Augsburg (Freistaat Bayern, Germany)|Augsburg]] for siding with Karlstadt against [[Rhegius, Urban (1489-1541)|Urban Rhegius]] in the dispute on communion. —The strange view of Karlstadt that in the words, "This is my body," Christ was referring to His own body, was accepted in some Anabaptist circles, as the testimony of Veit Frick of Württemberg (Gutenberg) before the magistrates on 29 July 1563 shows: The words, This is my body, and this is my blood, had reference to Christ's body and not to the bread and wine; the meaning is, this body sitting at table with the disciples must be given and His blood shed, and bread and wine are a symbol and memento of this suffering and death ([[Bossert, Gustav (1841-1925)|Bossert]], 228).</div></td></tr>
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